Any chance on a belt drive anytime soon?
Any chance on a belt drive anytime soon?
It would be cool to have a Moots belt drive.
No plans as of now to do belt drive. Loads of other projects in line first....but never say never.
Just not right now.
Reviving an old thread, but I too am waiting for a belt drive 29er from Moots, preferably an RSL ready for a Rohloff. I need an end all, be all adventure race bike. Hopefully if I can drum up some more interest I can get one coming down the pipeline sooner.
Just because Moots has no "plans" for a belt drive does not mean they can't make you one. Pony up the cash and place an order and I would bet the factory could easily figure out how to make it happen. All it takes is money. I would love to see one.
I have yet to buy into the belt drive craze. I come from a childhood of dirt bikes. In the motorcycle world, belt drives are for on road use only. If you want to hit the dirt, chain driven is the solution. I trust the motorcycle world to figure this out, seeing as they have 10^8 x the budget and R&D of the cycling world.
Any thoughts otherwise? I understand that a belt when properly tensioned is near silent and smooth as TF's bum, but how about once you get into the mud/muck/sand beneath the belt and the drive system?
Jah, I spoke to one of the Spot riders and he says the belt is maintenance free and bomber. He said with hydro brakes and the belt drive even washing the bike is optional. Smooth quiet, and long life.
Interestingly enough, I landed a belt drive capable back roads frame this weekend (Stainless Igleheart)
Having ridden and worked on several belt drive bikes, I am absolutely in love. Last I checked Moots was not ready, but I am waiting. Too many broken chains and derailleurs in adventure racing.
Omg Jah, I want that so bad!! Beautiful! I am tempted to switch all my bikes over to belt drives, about to look into replacing my cross frame with a SS belt drive.
That looks Awesome JAH.
I know Harley Davidson has been running belts on the secondary for many many years. My brother replaced the belt on his Harley at 80,000 miles just because he had the primary ripped apart, but that's a Harley not a dirt bike.
Perhaps I will give the belt a try now that I have the option.
-Chris Igleheart - Stainless all purpose, back country ride.
-132.5mm rear spacing allowing for either 130mm road or 135mm mountain
-Belt drive compatible - break in rear seat stay
-Paragon sliders: SS, disc, geared, Rohloff, IGH capable
-Fork: rack/fender mounts, disc or Paul racer mounts
-Room for 35c knobbies + fenders
JAH, my bum is neither smooth or silent...
I like the idea of the belt for certain applications, like (obviously) singlespeeds and the timing side of a tandem. BUT, I'll wait until they have it tweaked. They have changed the design yet again to keep the belt on the ring. The "teeth" of the ring are now X shaped when viewed from the top, with a "groove" running down the center of the belt to give better lateral stability when it is dirty. The ring/belt/cog combo is too expensive to be switching out for "upgrades". When I checked into the timing rings/belt for our tandem, it is around $500!
My BIGGEST concern with the belt is breaking it when in the "back country". At least with a chain, I can repair it.
Agreed, TF, I am not ready to make the expensive leap especially for technology that has no proven benefit and perhaps decreased performance in the snow/mud/ice/sand. Here is the old vs. new design:
The new split belt:
Jah, not sure what you mean by proven benefit? The belt drive lasts 2x longer than chains, runs silent, does not require lubrication, will never rust... if those aren't 'proven' benefits, I don't know what is! Chains have their benefits and drawbacks as well.
I'm running a belt on my commuter with an Alfine 8 and love it. It's the 'old' design, and I see no reason to upgrade.. but I do think the center track would work better for MTB's.
The belt drive is also becoming very popular in the cyclocross arena, that's one style of riding that really puts your equipment to the test.
Also, do find it a little funny you're talking about making an 'expensive leap' in the forum on the moots site! =P
What do you say Mothership? Looks like there's a bunch of interest! I'll put my name on the waiting list!
The only reason I don't own a Moots is because they do not have a belt drive Rohloff hardtail 29er.
Yes, you would get my business if you did :-)
Thanks for the great thread and conversations. We are looking into belt drive options on Moots. Tooling needs, production processes and availability still need to be worked out. Not saying we are 100% on this as of yet but will have more information to post as this unfolds.
See...this is what I love about Moots. They listen to what the riders want (within reason) and don't force things that don't work down our throat.
BTW, I think Black Sheep's design for the belt drive is the most elegant. I'm sure the creative minds in Steamboat could make something much nicer...
this thread opened me to yet another world of cycling. the only belt drive i have seen was the folding cute bike called strada. could a belt drive bike come up to be race worthy?
I think about a belt drive Moots all the time. I think it would be easy on the YBB if they reconfigured the part that actually holds the shock in place to have a split in it like a brake lever split perch. It's already separate from the upper part of the seat stays, and then you could fit the belt through. I'll volunteer my MootoX YBB for retrofitting and testing purposes. :-)
I'm looking at buying a 2012 Mooto-X YBB and really want a belt drive option. I live where it's very dusty and it would be great to have the option. Please please!!
The belt drive is super sweet, however there are more issues in building one than just making a point to "split" the rear end. The main concern for Moots is the front "chain ring" clearance. Since we use 7/8'' chainstays (and are unwilling to go smaller) they would have to be modified to the point where cycling them through the Ybb travel would be an issue. Building one in a rigid would also see us having to build with a "yoke" of some sort behind the BB in order to clear the front cog.
We continue to entertain the idea and will update if there is any movement on a Moots belt drive bike.
Thanks for the reply Jon. I'll just have to get used to the chain and clean it more frequently..
I think a better idea would be for Gates to come up with a super slick master link type of system. I'm not sure slitting the stays is the way to go. I realise it may not work for motorcycle because of the torque loads, but maybe for bicycles.
Just a thought
I think that I'd wait for Gates to shake out the design (as we discussed above). Maybe by the time they have a finalized design, Moots will be ready to make one!
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