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  1. dentist
    Member

    Did a cat 4/5 crit today. Ended up crashing, using a free lap and getting back in, after the mechanic fixed the loose pieces on my bike...

    Was thinking about getting a nice carbon fiber bike to race on, but now that I've crashed once. I'm not thinking that a Carbon frame will hold up as well in crashes.

    I'm thinking about a MOOTs since it's a little bit stronger than carbon fiber.

    Will a CR or a Vamoots be sufficient to race on?
    Or should I really opt for the RSL?
    Does the BB30 make the bike that much stiffer?

    I'm currently on an old aluminum orbea with campy chorus 10 speed.
    It's a 54 with a short stem, but it looks a little bit stretched out for me.
    I probably need to be at a 52cm orbea size or so.

    Can I transfer my old components over to the MOOTS?

    Thanks.

    My Blog
    http://racingmybike.wordpress.com/
    Posted 2 years ago #
  2. gearguywb
    Member

    The CR would IMHO, do very well as a race bike. The RSL is designed for just that. The BB30 (again, IMHO) does make a difference along with the larger diameter tubes, etc. Doesn't mean the CR is a slouch in any regard.

    Most road bike components can be transferred from bike to bike unless you go with a different crank mounting system or something of that nature. If your current components are working well and giving you good service, you might as well keep using them.

    As far as sizing, make sure you find a dealer that will spend the time and effort to get you correctly fitted. Not a piece of the expierence that you want to "guess" at.

    Hope that helps...you sure would not be dissappointed!

    Now I am rock'in (for me :))my RSL :).....
    Posted 2 years ago #
  3. Domestique
    Member

    Howdy Duc and welcome to our forum. Sorry to hear about your corner crash, glad to that you and the other riders were able to walk (ride) away from it and later on continue with the race.

    Yes, absolutely you can race on a CR or Vamoots, but if you can manage it I'd say go for the RSL. You should be able to transfer just about everything over to the RSL with the possible exceptions of the BB and perhaps maybe the crankset. I'm not sure if Campy has a BB30 option available yet for the Chorus groupset but I'm sure there other solutions which our more knowledgeable forum members can help you with. Another thing to consider is along with the BB30, the RSL also has a 30.9 seatpost instead of the common 27.2 size.

    As far as the BB30 stiffness goes, I ride a Campy Record 11 equipped Compact with standard outboard cups so I don't have first hand experience, but from everything that I've read about the BB30 it is the real deal. Besides, look at it this way... Moots would not use it in their top-of-the-line racing frame unless there was a 'very' good reason to implement it into their frame design.

    I guess the best advice I can give you is get in touch with your local Moots dealer and swing a leg over a few of their frames and see how they feel. Another thing I would also recommend is give the factory a call and talk to the crew at Moots, they are a wonderful bunch of folks and can help you to get started in achieving your dream ride. You can also find a list of dealers here on this website.

    Also, finding a Moots frame that fits you shouldn't pose a problem, and don't forget you can always go with custom sizing and have a frame that's made specifically to fit 'you' perfectly. Moots also offers matching titanium seatposts and stems to further tweek your ride (and increase bling factor!).

    Good luck and if you have questions, feel free to post them here on the forum, the gang here is great and are always happy to offer good advice not to mention that the man himself Mr. Jon Cariveau, chief whip at Moots regularly answers questions and offers expert advice here on the forum.

    And remember, whichever Moots frame you decide to chose to post a few pics in the 'gallery' after she's all built. You can see pics of many of our other members as well as a pic of my Compact and hopefully soon pictures of my upcoming Psychlo-X once she's all finished (that's a hint Jon!) :-)

    D.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  4. teamfubar
    Member

    Nice post Dom...covers all of it! Good advice for sure.

    Supposedly there are adapters out there for the BB30/Campy interface, but I don't know their compatibility w/Chorus or the "older" 10 speed Campy stuff.

    I'll chime in as well as getting fit for a Moots. If you don't know, that is an expensive gamble on a frame that may or may not fit. I know there are shops out there that will charge for a fitting, but credit it towards a bike/frame purchase. Check with your LMD (local Moots dealer) to see if they offer this.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  5. Domestique
    Member

    Here's a link from the Campagnolo website to their Ultra-Torque OS (oversized) BB cups that should allow you to use your Chorus crankset with the RSL frame which has a BB30 bottom bracket shell. Not sure if this is your best solution, perhaps maybe some of our more knowledgeable members can offer more helpful insight.

    http://www.campagnolo.com/jsp/en/groupsetdetail/item_calotteintUT_catid_3.jsp

    Posted 2 years ago #
  6. JonC
    Administrator

    All,
    Good advice and thanks for helping dentist find his way.

    Dentist....if you need any other help finding a dealer and/or a demo to ride, please let us know. Either way you go, RSL or CR I believe you will long outlast the other crit-goers and their carbon rigs. You may need to replace a component or two, but the frame will always get up from those crashes to carry on....

    Let me know if you have any other questions.

    Thanks,

    Jon@Moots

    Posted 2 years ago #
  7. dentist
    Member

    thanks for all the replies.
    Looks like I'll be saving up some more money to get the RSL.
    I'm probably going to wait till next winter to get the bike.
    Since our local store ran a 10% off + 3 hour fitting when you purchase their bike.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  8. Full Mootion
    Member

    Oh I bet if you went there now and said you'd buy an RSL for the same deal they would do it. It's gonna be a hard summer looking at the RSL pics

    Posted 2 years ago #
  9. Domestique
    Member

    Are authorized dealers allowed to discount Moots frames? I thought the price was the price. My guess is lotsa luck trying to find an RSL discounted (or a new CR or Vamoots).

    Posted 2 years ago #
  10. Mark M
    Member

    Everything is negotiable if you are spending enough.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  11. Full Mootion
    Member

    Dom PLEEEEEASE tell me you didn't pay retail. You at least got a free fitting thrown in. BTW Moots can not by law FIX prices. That would be restriction of trade. Now choosing their distributors they can do whatever they want there. Now in the end the Moots frame may be what it will be (retail price) but there are always value adds that my dealer throws in. Like free adjustments for years or even life of ownership, free assembly even with parts that you may have removed from other bikes, free fitting, free tune up. Those all have value and if purchased separately would significantly increase the overall cost of your goods received.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  12. Domestique
    Member

    Yes, I did pay full retail for my PX and I was happy to do it. I think Moots makes a superior product and it is well worth the price they charge.

    Was I foolish to pay full retail?... considering that I'm getting a handmade frame that will last a lifetime, no, I don't think so. Just my .02

    Posted 2 years ago #
  13. Full Mootion
    Member

    I wasn't talking about the frame only. I was talking about the whole deal. I've found that Moots usually has selected the best of the best to be their dealers. They usually take care of their customers with value add items that other shops would charge for. So not fair to say you paid retail for the whole deal. I did on the frame but got many value adds for free

    Posted 2 years ago #
  14. sbsbiker
    Member

    Thanks dom from your local moots dealer.

    Shame on you full mootion for ribbing a great customer. Everyone needs to make a living even bike shop owners. Undercutting their profits should not be flaunted.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  15. tbill
    Member

    Fwiw, I have bought six new Moots over the years (RSL, 2 Compact SL's, Vamoots SL, YBB and Psychlo-X) and happily paid full retail for each of them. They are worth every penny at those prices.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  16. Full Mootion
    Member

    If you notice my post I'm flaunting great bicycle shops who go the extra mile with services to promote cycling and great products

    Posted 2 years ago #
  17. sbsbiker
    Member

    That's not what I got from "PLEEESE don't tell me you paid retail". That sounded like someone pokeing fun at a customer who pays the price on the tag. By all means if you are buying a Moots your LBS should take great care of you. As I hope any retail establishment should if you are looking at the top of the product line. I would also suspect that the factory would not continue to use a LBS as a Moots dealer if great service for a potential Moots customer isn't provided. Sorry to harsh on your post but in this economy paying retail for your luxury items goes a long way at the LBS, providing income for shop owners and mechanics so they can stay in business.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  18. Domestique
    Member

    Exactly right sbs, my LBS is a one man operation and the last of a dying breed. I know that business for him lately has been kinda slow so If I can do my part however small it may be to help keep the lights on I'm happy to do it. I'd hate to think of the consequences if he had to close his doors.

    Not calling you out Full Mootion, you seem like a nice guy but I counted the word 'free' no less than 5 times in your previous post, seems to set a precedence. I don't blame you for wanting to get the best bang for your buck, Hell.. we all do but as sbs pointed out sometimes there are more important aspects to consider than just the bottom line. In all fairness, I should point out that Scott (my mechanic) is swapping out the frames at no charge, but I'll make sure that he's well fed with lotsa pizza and beer while he's building up the bike.

    Anyway, I wish dentist the very best with whichever Moots he decides to pull the trigger on. I'm confident that regardless of which model he chooses that he's gonna love it.

    D.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  19. dentist
    Member

    The moots RSL price is in the range of cervelo's S3.
    Does the aerodynamics of a bike really play a role in the performance of the bike, (I know it's the engine that matters, but it's nice to get an extra few seconds off for free)?
    Or is the aero thing all a marketing gimmick to sell more bikes?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  20. Mark M
    Member

    Aero matters at just about any speed if you are interested in saving some time or watts.

    http://www.cervelo.com/reviews/Velo_News_2011-04.pdf

    Posted 2 years ago #
  21. Full Mootion
    Member

    The RSL is light years better than the Cervelo.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  22. Domestique
    Member

    What a minute... isn't the Cervelo made from carbon fiber?

    Posted 2 years ago #
  23. sbsbiker
    Member

    The seconds you may save on your next ride on a Cervelo will be more than made up waiting for a warranty framset after it cracks in 4 or 5 years or in your next crit. The Moots RSL frame will last forever, all it will need is new parts every 10,000 miles long after you have moved into cat 1.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  24. gearguywb
    Member

    The aero benefit will come into play if you are off the front of the pack and stay above 25mph.....but if you can do that on any given course you probably don't need to "buy" a frame :)

    Posted 2 years ago #
  25. Full Mootion
    Member

    Great point GG. I would be remiss if I didn't remind him that you MUST shave your legs so as not to offset the aero advantage gained. Kind of like the 250lb guy trying to save grams on a frame or other non rotating parts.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  26. dentist
    Member

    cool deal. I was thinking it may have been a lot of marketing, because our bodies probably cause the most aero drag. Looks like I'm going to be saving up for that RSL...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  27. davidb
    Member

    I would love to (and really could) believe that the effect of an aero frame is equivalent to shaved legs. Have you found actual test numbers somewhere? Maybe I have to go do coast-down tests like I did with tire pressure...

    Posted 2 years ago #
  28. Domestique
    Member

    Isn't the practical reasons a rider shaves their legs is to help with embrocating and post ride massages? IMHO for the average rider that unless you're Chewbacca you're just wasting your time. Besides, who is so anal about their aerodynamics that they feel that they 'MUST' shave their legs? All seems rather silly to me. Just my .02

    D.

    Posted 2 years ago #
  29. Pokey
    Member

    I sleep in a vise which slowly over time is shaping my body into an aerodynamic wedge. I also have replaced all my body hair with tiny strands of carbon fiber. I did the math its worth it.

    When the world ends only two things will survive..... cockroaches and ski bums.
    Posted 2 years ago #
  30. Mark M
    Member

    Road rash is easier to deal with if your legs are shaven and sun block goes on easier. I've heard it is cooler temperature wise as well on hot days with no hair but I haven't shaved mine...yet.

    Posted 2 years ago #

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