I am loving the MootoX YBB monster-cross/29er build. That is exactly the ultimate touring bike that I mentioned my desire for in the previous thread. Phone call to the mothership on Monday.
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Full Mootion....
nice to meet you in person yesterday and thanks for the support.
The MX Ybb travel/adventure bike is build on a stock 19'' frame. Rack mounts, 3rd h20, fender eyelets...but as you see we went fenderless on this one. Out of all the bikes I have assembled in the last couple of years this one caught a lot of eyes within Moots.
A seriously fun bike with loads of uses...
I'll be posting more photos tonight on FB, and blog.
off to the show for day 3!
Thanks,
Jon@Moots
Posted 2 years ago # -
xjahx
MemberAwesome, I have a stock 18" with an EBB that I may have to recreate into this. The drive train would either be a Rohloff or an Alfine 11. As for the rear rack, I would either go with an Old Man Mountain rack or have official rack/fender mounts added.
Nice work, Jon.
Posted 2 years ago # -
xjahx
MemberI absolutely love how the road SRAM shifters play nicely with the 10 speed mountain drivetrains. I have been using this setup (Red shifter, XX rear, 11-36 cassette) for over a year now in a 1x10 setup. Now that X.0 and X.9 are available, it makes a similar setup much more affordable.
Posted 2 years ago # -
xjahx
MemberTF, I agree that the integrated top cap / stem is beautiful, but it is a bit 2007, eh?
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5482677642_47cae4f62f_b.jpg
Posted 2 years ago # -
Mark M
MemberEgordon,
I think everything would move in unison so it shouldn't tug on the brake cable. I also think function followed form on that one though. If you read my hyperlink on the previous thread about brake cable hangers, it sounds like there would be more brake chatter with a set up like this. It does look nice for a bike show though.Posted 2 years ago # -
Yeah, it might be a bit 2007, but for some reason, it looks so much better when done by Moots...
I agree Mark. You couldn't get the hanger much further away from the brakes than that, which would cause a whole 'nother world of fork shudder.
Not to get off topic, but fork manufacturers know about this problem, why don't they put a cable stop on the fork like old canti-mount suspension forks used to have? From what I have read, it would eliminate the problem all together.
So far, Dirt Rag seems to have the best photo galleries of this year's NAHMBS. http://www.dirtragmag.com/nahbs2011
Some good looking rigs in there. For me, I don't care as much for the ones that are completely retro (build/style/etc.) but the ones that incorporate some of the old into a modern design, giving a retro feel/look without being a retro-repro. 'Course, the way things are going, any kind of welded framed bike would seem retro anymore...Posted 2 years ago # -
Domestique
MemberTF: "Not to get off topic, but fork manufacturers know about this problem, why don't they put a cable stop on the fork like old canti-mount suspension forks used to have? From what I have read, it would eliminate the problem all together."
Hallelujah! that is the smartest thing I've heard all day.
Wish they'd at least would provide a hole at the crown to mount a cable hanger. I guess some of them do.
Now that disc brakes are UCI legal, I'd imagine canti brakes will eventually be a thing of the past for CX.I think we're beginning to get a wee bit off topic from Jah's MootoX YBB monster-cross/29er lust... :-)
D.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Mootzilla
MemberActually I have a quill stem from the 70s that was factory drilled just like that. Old idea new concept. And a nice one too. Egodon, me thinks you needs to go back to engineering 101 to answer your question. Hint... does your fork turn more or less than your stem if it is tightened to spec?
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Actually, before the advent of suspension forks, many mountain bikes had the same set up (my very first Trek in 1989 did).
And Dom, I truly hope that disc brakes take over the cross world. I read somewhere that Sram is working on a hydraulic road brake/shift lever. If discs fall in the CX world, it's only a matter of time until the road world. Will free up tire/rim manufacturers to design better/lighter stuff by not having to have a braking surface or compensate for heat build up from braking.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Domestique
MemberYeah, it does kinda makes sense to use disc in cyclocross racing, but I can't see a compelling reason to do the same for road racing. It's a different type of environment. Seems more of a 'follow the trend' sorta thing. Maybe for Flanders and P-R, stuff like that. Otherwise I think regular caliper brakes work just fine.
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Actually, I think discs make lots of sense for the road. In the pro-peloton, wheel changes would be super easy, not having to worry about opening calipers, then when a new wheel was installed, braking performance would be unaffected, esp. for those using carbon rims then possibly getting an aluminum wheel from a neutral support vehicle. I could see a small disc caliper braking on a 120-140mm rotor.
In addition, removing the braking surface would open up design possibilites for tire and rim manufacturers, removing any chance of a blow-out from a rim overheating.
Posted 2 years ago # -
sbsbiker
MemberNoone had a problem with v-brakes till hydro disc's got light enough to be a break even weight swap and then the power of hydro's ruled the pro ranks. Untill someone makes a hydro road lever, the point is moot, but with the weight of road bikes linited by the UCI adding a few grams for great stopping would be an easy swap.
Posted 2 years ago # -
labrador
MemberThis is what I saw, liked, trends, whatever, from the show. Lots of friends, Austin is a very nice town and the weather was about perfect. Lots of 29ners, lots of city bikes, some very nice paint jobs, some stunning paint jobs, stainless steel, lots of cool racks with internal wiring and integrated LED lights. Kent had some very nice bikes including a sub 13 pound roadie. Lots of integrated seat posts. Some of the small builders completely blow away anything a mass maker could possibly hope to produce (duh), but the level of detail on some of the bikes/parts was incredible. You had to see to believe.
S&S couplers are going the way of the dinosaur. Some very nice, intricate styles of 'coupled' bikes. Hard to even see where you take them apart. Nice!
Crumpton (not known for mountain bikes) had, what I thought, the nicest non-ferrous off roader there. A 29" hard tail with a Synchros fork. Matte black, simple decals, highlighted with silver and red bits, Enve wheelsets. Stunning.
Signal, Engin, Vanilla, Naked all had show stoppers. In particular, the Engin really caught my eye - their 29ner was superbly nice. Guru, Alchemy, D Kirk, and Kirk Lee (from Austin), all had very nice bikes.
I was surprised Niner, Sram, and some other companies weren't there. (who? I can't remember....)
Dean had some really nice rigs and their Exogrid looked great. To have a ti/exogrid rigid fork out by the fall - to go for $600ish - or so I was told. That should be really sweet.
Parlee had quite a few on display but the nicest one I saw was at Mellow Johnny's - Lance's shop. It's a real nice shop and one of the Z1 Parlee's was flat black and a AC/DC motif. With the official AC/DC logo on the down tube. It had full Sram Red with a custon, flat/matted black finish to it. Very cool. The kicker was, from behind, the two seat stays had on them (left side) 'For those about to drop' (right side) 'We salute you' .....killer.
I thought (and no disrespect to Kish) Kish had nothing on some of the other ti makers - Moots included. To win 'best ti frame' seem a bit overdone to me. They were directly next to Moots and fromwhat I saw, the Moots booth was 10 to 1 more crowded with interest.
That's what I saw....
Posted 2 years ago # -
Exie
Member... getting back to the NAHBS... I read a cool article here:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/on-show-north-american-handmade-bicycle-show-part-4Looks like Ti is more popular than ever ... maybe even the new black ?
However most shocking was this pic from the show:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/photos/on-show-north-american-handmade-bicycle-show-part-4/160913Who is this Scott Quiring ? thats a Cinco/Zirkel knock off if ever I saw one! Fortunately Pink isnt really my color. :)
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Ventana has made their suspension rear end available to many small frame builders. Moots was one of the first to use the Ventana rear with a Ti front, but if you just go down the road a bit in Steamboat, you'll find the old Moots frontman, Kent Eriksen torching up Ti mountain bikes with a Ventana rear end.
Definitely some nice looking eye candy at the show. Does anyone know if Moots showed off anything else than the adventure-touring-Mooto-X (which was super sweet) and the integrated stem at the Cielo booth?
Posted 2 years ago # -
labrador
MemberThis is what caught my eye. Lots of very sweet paint jobs. About half and half ferrous non-ferrous bikes. Lots of cool city bikes. Lots of sweetly bent racks with integrated wiring/LED lights. Lots of 29ners. The ones that really attracted me: Engin, Signal, D Kirk, Kirk Lee, and Crumpton had the nicest carbon 29ner. Matte black hardtail with a Syncros fork - black and silver bits - stunning. The nicest road bike I saw wasn't at the show - it was at Mellow Johnnies (Lance's shop). It was a Parlee Z1 with AC/DC graphics. Sram Red with custom flat black finish. From the back, the left and right seat stays had (right) "For those about to drop" (left) "We salute you". It was an incredible looking bike, not cheesy at all - way hot and way fun. You had to see it to believe it.
Lots of titanium and no derespect to Kish, but 'best ti frame?' I wouldn't have voted that way....many more with more pazaaz if you ask me. They were directly next to Moots and I figure Moots had 10 to 1 the people at the booth at any one time. Moots had nothing truly 'new' - the adventure bike was a Mooto-X with racks and a drop bar arrangement. Very cool nonetheless. Kent had his usual assortment of nice rigs - a sub 13 pound roadie was very sweet.
Quite a few 'travel' bikes. S&S couplers are going the way of the dinosaur - many very small/elegant designs that do away with the large couplings. Very trick.
Dean had a couple of nice bikes. The most eye-catching was their exogrid/titanium. Said they will have out an exogrid fork this fall - about $600. Should be awesome. Dean is also now importing Basso frames/bikes.
A few makers weren't there and a bit of a surprise: Niner, Sram, etc. A great show, nice town, superb weather.
Posted 2 years ago # -
Our full list of bike we had at NAHBS:
Mx Ybb (adventure bike, monster cross,)
Mx RSL (Sram XX)
Vamoots RSL (Sram Red)
Vamoots CR (Di2)
stems, cinch post....
Vamoots CR (Di2) in Shimano booth for test rides
Cielo....stems, seat posts...
various other builders had a seast post or two on thier builds....
Jon@Moots
Posted 2 years ago # -
Satellite
Membervarious other builders had a seat post or two on thier builds....
Jon,
That says a lot right there, I was very suprised that Black Sheep used the Moots Seat Post, pretty cool. I also loved the machined Ti stem spacers and the Moots engraved Chris King Headset Cap. How do I get a hold of the King/Moots Stem Cap.
Satellite
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