ZeroG
Member
Long time lurker, first time poster.
I have been digging and cannot find the answer to my question so here goes: If I ordered a Moots Psychlo-X with disc brake options, what type of fork do I get? Is there a custom Ti disc brake fork that Moots makes and if so can a picture be provided?
Thanks for any assistance.
Unfortunately Moots does not make any forks and they don't include forks with most of their framesets (the RSL road frame is the exception). Check out what Jon from Moots said in this thread on the forum...
http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=1231#post-3325
Even their forks that are included with the RSL are made by an outside vendor for Moots to their specs.
That being said, there are a lot of fork manufacturers out there that have disc tabs. I would imagine Moots would have a recommendation for a brand that fits their suggested trail numbers.
ZeroG,
Thanks for the post and welcome to the Moots forum. Ordering your Moots Psychlo X frame with a disc mount is no problem...we've been doing them for years. At this time we are spacing all disc cross bikes to 135 for hub availability sake. For forks, we are not building or having anything built for us at this time that will take a disc up front. There are several nice options out on the market and getting better with time.
Options:
Wound Up
Ritchey
3T
Keep in mind the Psychlo X is built around a 395mm axle to crown lenght and a 45mm to 47mm offset.
We don't make any ti forks road, mountain or cross. They require a much heavier build vs. carbon to achieve the same level of stiffness....carbon is good in some cases.
Thanks,
Jon@Moots
ZeroG
Member
Thanks Jon and Fubar for chimming in.
I recently read about Enve maybe releasing a disc specific CX fork soon (http://www.bikerumor.com/2011/09/03/enve-composites-new-disc-brake-cyclocross-fork-am-dh-rims-more/) and maybe this is something for me to consider as
you might be offering this option? The article mentions that it will only be offered in a tapered steerer which is now an option on your RSL Psychlo-X model but I was wondering if this option also exists for a "normal" Psychlo-X frame or what options exist?
Thanks for any input if possible.
jasonlee
Member
Here's my current setup on my 2010 PsychloX Disc only (non-RSL just like you ordered). Since I don't have a mountain bike built up currently, this serves as my mini-29er with 35c cross tires.
link to photo
I have a WoundUp fork, XTR 3x9 drivetrain, XT hydraulic disc brakes.
** NOTE ** One thing that I didn't think about when ordering and am disappointed in is that the cable stops on the bike are for cable only brakes. Until I get some Jagwire adapters that mount in these stops, I have to continue to use zip ties to hold the hydraulic brake hose in its place.
IF IT ISN'T TOO LATE - Call Moots and specify that you want the cable braze ons they use on their mountain bikes. You can easily run full rear brake housing with the hydraulic cable stops, but not the other way around.
Plan for the future - hydraulic drop bar disc brake will be coming in the next few years directly from the big manufacturers.
As for fork options, your current options for a non-tapered steer tube are:
jasonlee
Member
My frame is a 55cm. I will try and take some good photos for the gallery soon. Like I said, currently it is setup as a min-29er, but I have an adapter set from 324labs for using any drop bar brake levers/shifters with Formula R1 hydraulic disc brakes. I need to get the R1 brakes, bleed kit, drop bars and then decide on which drop bar shifters I want to use before I switch over.
I need to preface this by saying this is NOT a knock on anyone here that has/using the hydraulic adapters for disc brakes, please don't take it as such. While I agree that the 324 adapter, as well as others, are the best options out there for running hydros w/drop bar shifters, I don't get it. Avid's BB7 Road discs work well and obviously work with drop bar levers. The adapters are ugly, bulky, and add unnecessary weight and clutter to the front of a bike for what is really minimal gains in braking. I ran BB7's on my Cinco for quite a while before switching to Juicy Ultimates. Sure, the Ultimates are lighter, although not by much, and there isn't as much "forearm" pump on LONG descents, but that doesn't happen much. I always hear that you have to do maintenance on the BB7's more, changing cables, etc. but I don't think it is more often than having to bleed a hydro.
Personally, I'd run the BB7's until someone comes out with a hydro drop bar lever. At the very least, I don't understand why someone hasn't come out with these hydro "adapters" integrated into a stem. I suppose that the writing is on the wall and brake/shifter manufacturers like Shimano and Sram will have something out soon so no need in making a fancy adapter.
Sorry about the rant and slightly derailing this thread. Please resume talking about the best options for a disc fork on a Psychlo...
ZeroG,
Yes, this year you can order the Psychlo X with the optional 44mm head tube. It does cost more, but will allow you to run the tapered fork.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks,
Jon@Moots
Is it difficult or even possible to adapt road-standard 130mm rear wheels to go into a 135 spaced frame?
I have no need for disc wheels in a Psychlo X at the moment but would find it interesting to get one with the slider/disc mount option.
Or do I play it safe and have a rear wheel made up around a 135mm hub?
AdriH,
It seems that when road or cx hydro discs hit, they will be 135mm spacing. Now, this is not set in stone and component makers have been known to be a tricky bunch, but 135mm spacing makes more sense. Fitting in a disc rotor and keeping the wheel dish in a good range will be key to building strong wheels.
If I personally were building up a disc cx wheel, I'd go 135....more hub choices, more even spoke tension, stronger, longer lasting wheel.
That's my 2 cents...but if you know me #LONG-LIVE-CANTIS!
Thanks,
Jon@Moots
I have done some research and you can use Shimano cassettes in combination with Campa shifters using J-Tek's shiftmate.
http://jtekengineering.com/shiftmate.htm
So that the ticket for those who run 135mm-width slider dropouts on a Psychlo-X and want to run campa shifters..
Doc Moots
Member
I just spoke with the nice fokes at Chris King today. It sounds like someday they will be doing a 135 disc brake r45 hub once the frame mfg are on board. But don't get your hopes up because they said it's no time soon. However, they are finally going to use some of the R45 technology in the ISO hub. Ceramic bearing with less seal drag later this year. This is a really big deal because CK and the Enduro XD-15 are very different than other ceramic bearings. First hand experience has convinced me both are worth the extra coin. Now as for others ceramic, not so much...
Doc--
Thanks for the info. I've been riding the R45's for almost a year and love the standard bearings....much less drag than previous .....less of the "angry bee" buzz as well....but only when coasting.....which I try to do as much as possible....:)
Chris King fan 4 life.
Thanks,
Jon@Moots
AdriH....
Nice....
Jon@Moots
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