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I'm new and interested in a Psychlo X

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Started 7 months ago by d_douglas
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d_douglas
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Hello all:

I am new to the forum and have been a long time admirer of all things Moots. I am in the process of buyin a fi disc brake only all rounder / CX bike to do it all and compliment my pure road bike and my 26er.

I have exotic tastes (and not so much money) so I have been admiring other more unique ti bikes in webland, but whenever I ask someone in a shop what brands to consider, they say Moots every time - this is a sign!

In looking at the geo chart for the PsychloX (the $3095) one, the HTs seem too short for me and quite possibly, I am in between sizes 56.5 and 58cm. I am normally proportioned and don't need special goes but these don't seem to work. To te a slightly longer HT , do I actually need to go custom or does Moots allow minor changes? I know minor is relative and at the discretion of the company...

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated - I love these bikes but am hard capped at $3100 + fork - poor me ;)

Thanks for any thoughts.

Posted 7 months ago #
JonC
Administrator

d_douglas,
We can go to a bit longer HT (1cm) without going custom and adding charges. Going more than that will require custom as we don't like to expose too much head tube above the top tube...the reason is... going too far over the top point of the top tube will cause the head tube to warp during welding....and it just plain looks bad.

To do a tweak to the top tube lenght does require a full custom. Changing the lenght of that tube will affect the rest of the front triangle...thus needing a custom build.

How tall are you? And what is your inseam? I can give you my insight into sizing, but really encourage a visit to a dealer to dial this in.

Thanks,

Jon@Moots

Posted 7 months ago #
d_douglas
Member

Hi Jon:

Thanks for this feedback. No, I would definitely not want to jeopardize the quality of fit or aesthetic of the bike by limiting myself to a stock bike. If it can't be fit without minor changes, then it is best to do custom (though delivering me outside my price limit!) Fit is more important than hitting a price point if I am about to shell out for such a nice, expensive frame.

I will speak to a local pro at fitting and Moots and see what they say. A quick query netted that they will do a fit and have a look at my road bike (my only custom)

Bascially, I am 6'1" and a 33" inseam (or thereabouts - my Saddle to BB spindle measurement is 80cm). My road bike has a 57.5cm TT with a 175mm HT and an Enve fork. Given that a CX fork has longer legs (395mm vs 370mm or so for road), does this mean the HT could be 25mm shorter in order to get the bar to the same height? I imagine that I would want the bar a bit higher for trail riding, but your first impressions are appreciated.

Thanks!

Darren

Posted 7 months ago #
JonC
Administrator

Darren,

No, you would want to keep the HT as normal. Let's say we are looking at the 58cm PX, it has a 15.5cm ht, where the 58 Vamoots CR has a 16.5 ht....but has a much shorter seat tube, therefore we run a sloping top tube. With the cross we want to keep the top tube reasonably level @ 2.6 degrees vs. 6.7 on the CR...plus keep in mind you will run a brake hanger under the stem which adds 10mm off the bat. So really the longer fork brings you to a more upright position, which is what you want on a cross bike. Not drastic, but better for dirt/trail/cyclocross style of terrain.

Your measurements lead me to believe you would need a custom. Like you said, don't jeopardize the fit....

What stem lenght do you have on your road bike?

Let me know.

Thanks,

Jon@Moots

Posted 7 months ago #
Full Mootion
Member

A fine Moots dealer by the name of Wrench Science has a great on line fit system that will get you " in the ballpark". It's free here's the link -

https://www.wrenchscience.com/Login.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2fSecure%2fFit%2fHeight.aspx

Pay attention to the details and description on how to measure. For the minute fine details that give the perfect dialed in fit there is no substitute for in in person fitting from a professional.

Posted 7 months ago #
d_douglas
Member

Jon:

Thanks for this information. I ride a 120mm stem on my bike with 15mm spacers. Keep in mind that there will be no cable hanger, as I will be using disc brakes.

So, it appears that my 175mm TT on my road bike is 20mm taller than a 'ballpark' fitted Moots - maybe I am not understanding correctly - - are you saying that this variance is made up for in the longer fork leg length?

Thanks again,

Darren

Posted 7 months ago #
29ner
Member

Frame companies love you as you sound about as normal a human as possible. 6'1", 33" inseam, 120 stem, 17.5 ht (which is tall). But, with Moots being able to 'custom' a ht (within the cm or two that Jon mentioned), available spacers (or not), different reach/rise stems available - that crosser should be able to be dialed in easy.

So, custom with you?....that's a good chunk of money for a centimeter (give or take) of front end height.

Killer fun bikes!..................and better hurry, cross season is well under way.

Posted 7 months ago #
d_douglas
Member

Ha ha - yes, it is under way. I don't race (though getting the itch to get punished). I have gone out with two buddies who are racers and it is good fun to chase them, though I seem to get dropped very easily ;).

Yes, I suppose that adding a 10mm ti spacer might make up the difference. For the $$ though, I do not want to cheap out and angrily conclude that the frame doesn't feel right. I have one custom bike (a road Speedvagen) and it feels so perfect to ride - the fit is dead on. I want to capture that in a ti CX bike, hopefully a Moots . . . .

Posted 7 months ago #
Jerome
Member

Buy one
no hesitation

you can't get a better bike and a better bike on the market right now

if you ride you will discover another dimension

and believe then you will think that those guys are crazy to sell them for so few !

a Moots is not expensive enough in regard of its qualities.

you can't invest your money in a better place

a Moots is more like education you will end up being a better person

Best

jérôme

Posted 7 months ago #
d_douglas
Member

Oupla! Jerome - t'es un 'fan' de Moots?!?! HA HA! Merci bien pour les conseils!!!

Posted 7 months ago #
lestshall
Member

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