http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866 Rider's community and more. en-US Fri, 24 May 2013 02:12:26 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://moots.com/bbpress/search.php http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9214 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:22:43 +0000 JonC 9214@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>cento1,<br /> After dicussing with our lead production man, we are at a loss. The comment above about the master link is valid and should be looked at in depth. Tolerances these days are very tight and will only get more so. </p> <p>Where did you purchase? I'd like to see you bring it to a Moots dealer and have the chain changed out. It seems to be the next logical move.</p> <p>Let me know how it goes.</p> <p>Jon@Moots </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9205 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 15:48:16 +0000 wrpercival 9205@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Cento,</p> <p>I am not sure this directly relates to the problem you are having, but I recently installed a KMC Missing Link 10 on a Shimano 6701 chain with an Ultegra 11-25 cassette and Sram Red (53/39) crank. All of these components were new. It jumped on the big and small rings when sprinting. I swapped the Shimano chain with a Sram chain joined with a Powerlock master link and it solved the problem. </p> <p>I've run Shimano 6701 chains with no master link in the past on this same setup with no problems. While the KMC 10 master link indicates it is compatible with 10 speed Shimano chains, it looks like it may have been causing the compatibility/jumping problem I was having. </p> <p>Tolerances are so close, it seems like it does not take much to compromise a drive train. Makes me wonder whether introducing 11 speed cassettes will add real value, or simply increase the probability for having these types of issues. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9204 Tue, 10 Apr 2012 14:50:42 +0000 Contador 9204@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Cento, </p> <p>Where did you purchase your bike/who did the build? Most reputable dealers should be able to asses what is going on and communicate with Moots for any warranty issues. This might be more effective/quicker than handling it via a web forum. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9173 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:48:14 +0000 cento1 9173@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Hi Satt,,I’m using KMC X10 SL,I think its interchangeable but shimano duraace does not though,,so you think the type of chain matters? never tried sram yet.. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9169 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:45:53 +0000 Satellite 9169@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Ed,</p> <p>What chain do you use? I have compact FSA Cranks with a DA7800 12-27 cassette. I used the SRAM 1099R with the wipperman quick connect chain link and when I insalled it upside down (my mistake) it rubbed. I still get rubbing when I cost down hill but it is because of the Chris King Hub. After thousands of miles it still isn't broken in and doesn't spin free when I back pedal during fast descent in the highest gear. It doesn't rub if I keep pedaling that I know of.</p> <p>Satellite </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9168 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 19:31:18 +0000 cento1 9168@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Hi John, Here are the info..</p> <p>1.Im using a sram red crank ,yes it’s a sram GXP ceramic BB.</p> <p>2.with Rotor Q-rings chainring 50/34 compact. (had this installed to all my bike)</p> <p>3. DT Swiss 190 ceramic hubs.</p> <p>4.on the photo it is a sram red black edition cassette (11-26 gearing) using it for now to avoid rubbing.</p> <p>but the rubbing happened if I use a 12-27 shimano dura ace 7900 cassette. The reason I used shimano cassette it’s because its more quiet than sram red..all my bike are full sram red except for cassette without any issues..what do you think?? thanks,,Ed </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9160 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 15:32:56 +0000 JonC 9160@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>cento1,<br /> I wouldn't read too much into forums, most negative comments come from a lack of understanding manufacturing....I've been with Moots for 15+ years and have only seen our product get more consistent with higher quality over the years. Do we make a mistake every-now-and-then? Sure, we are human, making things with our hands. </p> <p>I'm looking at the photo of your bike and would like to know:</p> <p>1. Is that a Sram Red Crank with a standard GXP BB??<br /> 2. What rings are those and what combo of teeth are you running?<br /> 3. What hubs?<br /> 4. From the looks of it the cassette is a non-Sram...what is it?</p> <p>Thanks for the info.</p> <p>Jon@Moots </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9153 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 05:39:26 +0000 sbsbiker 9153@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Ok, bon_gab, just triing to help. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9150 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 05:15:21 +0000 cento1 9150@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>I tried everything,,round chain-ring,,Two diffrent wheelset with diffrent hub brands,,still the same,,you know what,, ill just wait to johnC finding tomorrow about this,Im sure my frame serial is great reference on his data base.. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9149 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:48:29 +0000 sbsbiker 9149@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Please people, those " less that favorable " comments were debunked on the other thread. Turns out the new owner didn't understand the buildup and finishing of the seat tube insert and seat post. Let's not start tossing out rumor of unfavorable work from the Moots factory unless you post pics of said " unfavorable " workmanship.</p> <p>Just as this rubbing could be something as simple as a hub that's not spaced correctly causing the cog set, to be poorly positioned in relation to the dropout. Something as simple as a minor adjustment of the outer locknut could prevent contact, and not be caused by the frame set. As we push more and more gears into the same free hub, the tolerances grow smaller and tiny adjustments make a bigger difference.</p> <p>Cent1; have you tried another wheel with the 12-27 to check the hubs spacing? Does the rubbing occurr in sink with your Non-round chainrings? Maybe the out of round rings effect the chain line at high spins? </p> <p>PS: sweet ride! </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9146 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:31:38 +0000 cento1 9146@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>The rubbing Im talking happened only with 52 outer chairing and 12 rear cog(12-27cassette)Im flying fast,,but if I replaced the cassette with 11-26 gear no rubbing, front derrailuer will rub ofcourse if you crosschain,,</p> <p><a href="http://forums.roadbikereview.com/moots/moots-vs-moots-question-276563.html" rel="nofollow">http://forums.roadbikereview.com/moots/moots-vs-moots-question-276563.html</a> </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9143 Mon, 09 Apr 2012 02:41:00 +0000 Domestique 9143@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Happy Easter from OZ,</p> <p>cento1, judging from the pic, I'd guess the chain rub is caused by the inner chain-ring on your compact setup? Does it also rub while the chain is on the outer ring?</p> <p>I am also curious to know where you read less than favorable comments concerning Moots production quality, IMHO they are among if not 'the' best built titanium frames available.</p> <p>BTW, nice looking bike.</p> <p>D. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9126 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 16:25:03 +0000 cento1 9126@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>thanks for the reply John, my frame serial# is 520-2305 if you need it..hoping to get info on your findings. I was so meticulous about my dream moots, it annoyed me every time I look on the rubbed area. one more thing I read some forums complaining and discussing the frame production quality of moots recently,Im bit alarmed on this,,as for a buyer perspective,,.Ed</p> <p><a href="http://s599.photobucket.com/albums/tt76/bon_gabs/?action=view&amp;current=2012-04-06171236.jpg"><img src="http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt76/bon_gabs/2012-04-06171236.jpg" alt="Photobucket" /></a> </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9107 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 03:01:48 +0000 JonC 9107@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>cento1,<br /> Strange. I'll check with production on Monday and see what is up. </p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>Jon@Moots </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=5866#post-9098 Sun, 08 Apr 2012 00:35:46 +0000 cento1 9098@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Hi John C,,On my vamoots the inside lower part of seatstay is rubbing on my chain if Im on number 12 cog (12-27 cassette gearing),no issues on 11-26 gears though,,is there something wrong how my frame built? a defect? ..thanks </p>