http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243 Rider's community and more. en-US Fri, 24 May 2013 06:11:23 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://moots.com/bbpress/search.php http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1559 Thu, 31 Mar 2011 00:12:43 +0000 CircaRigel 1559@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>My advice for road rash... keep a supply of Johnson &amp; Johnson Tough Pads hydrocolloid bandages. I find in most cases, if I use those, 1. it's more comfortable. 2. rash is completely healed in 5-7 days. 3. little, if any scarring. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1538 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:07:45 +0000 Domestique 1538@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Double centuries... damn Dave, that's hard core! Who cares if you're not going fast, the mere fact that you can do a 200 mile ride has earned my respect. Tell us more about your new wheelset. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1537 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:03:44 +0000 davidb 1537@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Pokey, I like your approach best. I wasn't even considering shaving, but I could wear some really fuzzy socks, or wrap my legs in early-60's shag (orange!) carpeting to test the difference. Maybe I'll just search out the actual numbers on aero frames. I don't really believe the advantages are that noticeable compared with aero bars, or even missing a few meals. Especially for someone who does not-particularly-fast double centuries with lots of climbing on roads that are far too convoluted to descend all that fast. This sweet handling moots (with new wheels!) is really perfect. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1534 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:32:58 +0000 gearguywb 1534@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Talk about thread drift! :) </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1525 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:34:55 +0000 Domestique 1525@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>wookin pa nub! </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1524 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 01:03:18 +0000 Pokey 1524@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>If yr pits look like you have buckwheat in a headlock ...you may be onto something </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243&page=2#post-1522 Fri, 25 Mar 2011 00:12:40 +0000 Domestique 1522@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Maybe I should shave my pits, that's gotta be at least a few grams right there! </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1521 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:54:21 +0000 Mark M 1521@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Road rash is easier to deal with if your legs are shaven and sun block goes on easier. I've heard it is cooler temperature wise as well on hot days with no hair but I haven't shaved mine...yet. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1520 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:45:53 +0000 Pokey 1520@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>I sleep in a vise which slowly over time is shaping my body into an aerodynamic wedge. I also have replaced all my body hair with tiny strands of carbon fiber. I did the math its worth it. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1517 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 18:24:09 +0000 Domestique 1517@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Isn't the practical reasons a rider shaves their legs is to help with embrocating and post ride massages? IMHO for the average rider that unless you're Chewbacca you're just wasting your time. Besides, who is so anal about their aerodynamics that they feel that they 'MUST' shave their legs? All seems rather silly to me. Just my .02</p> <p>D. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1516 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:54:56 +0000 davidb 1516@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>I would love to (and really could) believe that the effect of an aero frame is equivalent to shaved legs. Have you found actual test numbers somewhere? Maybe I have to go do coast-down tests like I did with tire pressure... </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1514 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 15:20:32 +0000 dentist 1514@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>cool deal. I was thinking it may have been a lot of marketing, because our bodies probably cause the most aero drag. Looks like I'm going to be saving up for that RSL... </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1513 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:30:32 +0000 Full Mootion 1513@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Great point GG. I would be remiss if I didn't remind him that you MUST shave your legs so as not to offset the aero advantage gained. Kind of like the 250lb guy trying to save grams on a frame or other non rotating parts. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1511 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:18:13 +0000 gearguywb 1511@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>The aero benefit will come into play if you are off the front of the pack and stay above 25mph.....but if you can do that on any given course you probably don't need to "buy" a frame :) </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1510 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 02:29:13 +0000 sbsbiker 1510@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>The seconds you may save on your next ride on a Cervelo will be more than made up waiting for a warranty framset after it cracks in 4 or 5 years or in your next crit. The Moots RSL frame will last forever, all it will need is new parts every 10,000 miles long after you have moved into cat 1. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1508 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 01:10:16 +0000 Domestique 1508@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>What a minute... isn't the Cervelo made from carbon fiber? </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1507 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:56:40 +0000 Full Mootion 1507@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>The RSL is light years better than the Cervelo. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1506 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:39:46 +0000 Mark M 1506@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Aero matters at just about any speed if you are interested in saving some time or watts.</p> <p><a href="http://www.cervelo.com/reviews/Velo_News_2011-04.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cervelo.com/reviews/Velo_News_2011-04.pdf</a> </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1505 Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:21:04 +0000 dentist 1505@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>The moots RSL price is in the range of cervelo's S3.<br /> Does the aerodynamics of a bike really play a role in the performance of the bike, (I know it's the engine that matters, but it's nice to get an extra few seconds off for free)?<br /> Or is the aero thing all a marketing gimmick to sell more bikes? </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1501 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:15:57 +0000 Domestique 1501@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Exactly right sbs, my LBS is a one man operation and the last of a dying breed. I know that business for him lately has been kinda slow so If I can do my part however small it may be to help keep the lights on I'm happy to do it. I'd hate to think of the consequences if he had to close his doors.</p> <p>Not calling you out Full Mootion, you seem like a nice guy but I counted the word 'free' no less than 5 times in your previous post, seems to set a precedence. I don't blame you for wanting to get the best bang for your buck, Hell.. we all do but as sbs pointed out sometimes there are more important aspects to consider than just the bottom line. In all fairness, I should point out that Scott (my mechanic) is swapping out the frames at no charge, but I'll make sure that he's well fed with lotsa pizza and beer while he's building up the bike.</p> <p>Anyway, I wish dentist the very best with whichever Moots he decides to pull the trigger on. I'm confident that regardless of which model he chooses that he's gonna love it.</p> <p>D. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1500 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:17:49 +0000 sbsbiker 1500@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>That's not what I got from "PLEEESE don't tell me you paid retail". That sounded like someone pokeing fun at a customer who pays the price on the tag. By all means if you are buying a Moots your LBS should take great care of you. As I hope any retail establishment should if you are looking at the top of the product line. I would also suspect that the factory would not continue to use a LBS as a Moots dealer if great service for a potential Moots customer isn't provided. Sorry to harsh on your post but in this economy paying retail for your luxury items goes a long way at the LBS, providing income for shop owners and mechanics so they can stay in business. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1499 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 10:08:42 +0000 Full Mootion 1499@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>If you notice my post I'm flaunting great bicycle shops who go the extra mile with services to promote cycling and great products </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1498 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:15:34 +0000 tbill 1498@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Fwiw, I have bought six new Moots over the years (RSL, 2 Compact SL's, Vamoots SL, YBB and Psychlo-X) and happily paid full retail for each of them. They are worth every penny at those prices. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1497 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:48:08 +0000 sbsbiker 1497@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Thanks dom from your local moots dealer. </p> <p>Shame on you full mootion for ribbing a great customer. Everyone needs to make a living even bike shop owners. Undercutting their profits should not be flaunted. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1496 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:53:47 +0000 Full Mootion 1496@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>I wasn't talking about the frame only. I was talking about the whole deal. I've found that Moots usually has selected the best of the best to be their dealers. They usually take care of their customers with value add items that other shops would charge for. So not fair to say you paid retail for the whole deal. I did on the frame but got many value adds for free </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1495 Wed, 23 Mar 2011 01:01:48 +0000 Domestique 1495@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Yes, I did pay full retail for my PX and I was happy to do it. I think Moots makes a superior product and it is well worth the price they charge.</p> <p>Was I foolish to pay full retail?... considering that I'm getting a handmade frame that will last a lifetime, no, I don't think so. Just my .02 </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1494 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:55:09 +0000 Full Mootion 1494@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Dom PLEEEEEASE tell me you didn't pay retail. You at least got a free fitting thrown in. BTW Moots can not by law FIX prices. That would be restriction of trade. Now choosing their distributors they can do whatever they want there. Now in the end the Moots frame may be what it will be (retail price) but there are always value adds that my dealer throws in. Like free adjustments for years or even life of ownership, free assembly even with parts that you may have removed from other bikes, free fitting, free tune up. Those all have value and if purchased separately would significantly increase the overall cost of your goods received. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1493 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:56:20 +0000 Mark M 1493@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Everything is negotiable if you are spending enough. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1492 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:53:49 +0000 Domestique 1492@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Are authorized dealers allowed to discount Moots frames? I thought the price was the price. My guess is lotsa luck trying to find an RSL discounted (or a new CR or Vamoots). </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=243#post-1491 Tue, 22 Mar 2011 03:28:04 +0000 Full Mootion 1491@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Oh I bet if you went there now and said you'd buy an RSL for the same deal they would do it. It's gonna be a hard summer looking at the RSL pics </p>