http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166 Rider's community and more. en-US Sat, 25 May 2013 10:45:24 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://moots.com/bbpress/search.php http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1032 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 21:00:50 +0000 labrador 1032@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>It seems to me that a shop, or a friend, could loan you a layback post to see if a layback is the way to go. As you mentioned, you are getting stronger and into a different position then when you first started - lots of riders tend to get lower and longer as they get more mature on a bike. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1030 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 20:05:50 +0000 taintertot 1030@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Thanks for all the input guys. Mark M- good advice. I was professionally fitted for this bike by Turin in Evanston, IL. (good guys). Since purchasing this bike a couple years ago, I have become a much stronger rider and find myself towards the back of my saddle quite a bit. I'm not sure if this is a progression in my riding or what. Right now the saddle is centered on the seatpost, so in my mind, in order to keep it that way and be positioned a little farther back, layback would work. I run into the problem of having enough seatpost exposed to use a layback though. I suppose it's possible that the best solution would be to go in and get refitted after putting on thousands of miles and finding where I'm most comfortable or where I should be set up now. I'm not trying to be cheap about it, but well, that's not cheap! Thanks again for all the advice guys. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1029 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 17:14:31 +0000 davidb 1029@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>"Style of riding" is an important point. I had to find a straight seatpost for my oldish Smoothie because I seem to climb a lot of long steep bumpy stuff. The only way to have the front tire occasionally touch the ground is a far forward position with short, low bars, and the seat way forward. As a test I did a few climbs with my Moots "lay-front" seatpost, and it worked, but offended my sensibilities too much. Also really hard to install the seat. The Moots straight post and flat bars are the trick, but impacts my descending a bit. </p> <p>I probably shouldn't use the word "impact" in the same sentence as "descending". Of course all that Ti in my shoulder is why I was morally obligated to buy a Moots in the first place. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1028 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 15:48:25 +0000 JonC 1028@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>LB vs. ST...</p> <p>The choice of Layback or Straight has more to do with position over the pedals than anything. Having the choice of the two can help with saddle rail “real-estate”. A straight might put you in the correct position over the pedals, but you may have the saddle "slammed" all the way back on the rails....not so good for wear &amp; tear on the saddle, as this can produce more leverage and cause early saddle "failure"....</p> <p>Typically we see the need for the layback in cases where the rider has long-ish femurs...or long-ish lower legs. Or in many cases on the 29er's where we run steep seat angles. The need for more offset to the bb &amp; pedal relationship is needed.</p> <p>Let me know if you have any other questions.</p> <p>Thanks,</p> <p>Jon@Moots </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1026 Mon, 07 Feb 2011 00:11:27 +0000 Mark M 1026@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Taintertot,<br /> Whether or not you buy a layback seat post is determined after you have gone through a professional fitting or at a bare minimum, after you have gone through a fit calculator from a link like this:<br /> <a href="http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=FIT_CALCULATOR_INTRO&amp;SITE.CODE=RDB" rel="nofollow">http://www.competitivecyclist.com/za/CCY?PAGE=FIT_CALCULATOR_INTRO&amp;SITE.CODE=RDB</a><br /> Like what was stated above, you need to set up your bike to put you in the proper riding position for your style of riding. This position will give you the most power/comfort. With proper measurements, you will know exactly which post you should buy instead of picking a post based on how it looks. Once you are set on the correct frame size, you fine tune your position with the correct stem length and seat post layback for your body's measurements. For example, every bike I ride is set up where the tip of my saddle is 65mm behind the center of the BB. I arrived at that number after being completely measured using either my LBS or the link above. I got the same answer either way. I always need a layback post to accomplish this unless the seat tube angle is unusually low. My goal is to have the saddle end up at the center of the rails. Admittedly, there is some wiggle room and rider preference obviously plays a role but getting measured correctly will get you 95% of the way there. A centimeter here or there will be up to you. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1024 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 22:37:36 +0000 teamfubar 1024@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Moots along with other manufacturers like Thomson, make a "lay-back" seatpost. These are not really meant for adding length to the cockpit other than being able to slide your saddle back further in the clamps. It is their version of an "off-set" head. Because of how the clamping mechanism attaches to the tube, they cannot build their post with an off-set, so they bend the tube to compensate. </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1023 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:43:39 +0000 Satellite 1023@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>Taintertot,</p> <p>Layback all depends I have two VaMoots; on my 57.5 I need the straight post and on the 56 I need the layback. It is all about cockpit. You want your saddle centered on your seat post as much as possible.</p> <p>Moots usually use the layback post more than other manufactures because their stock geometries are NOT the typical industry square meaning the top tube isn't the same length as the seat tube. Moots top tube is shorter than seat tube to make up for the difference they use the layback to make a reasonable length stem. The lay back also help weight the back wheel.</p> <p>The seat post bend is right at 4"-4.25" to the center of the rails. I had the same problem on my wife’s VaMoots I had to use a Raceface seat post with the offset head.</p> <p>Hope this helps,</p> <p>Satellite </p> http://moots.com/bbpress/topic.php?id=166#post-1021 Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:19:27 +0000 taintertot 1021@http://moots.com/bbpress/ <p>What's the deal with layback seatposts. Moots has them on every bike on their website. They clearly look more aggressive. I'm running a straight seatpost on a Vamoots that was fitted to me, but is a stock frame size. Would it be stupid to put a Moots layback seatpost on instead of a straight one. Some of the layback distance could be made up my adjusting the rails. I tend to find myself at the back of my saddle a lot anyways, so I'm thinking this may be a good setup anyway. Thoughts? My seatpost only sticks out of the frame about 4 inches so I don't even know if that is enough to use a layback. </p>